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Why theorem 4.6 applies only to limit points?

Why theorem 4.6 applies only to limit points?

av Emma Bastås -
Antal svar: 2

If I've read Rudin correctly the definitions for limits and for continuity are

∀ϵ>0 ∃δ>0. 0 < d(x, p) < δ  ⇒  d(f(x), q)    < ϵ
∀ϵ>0 ∃δ>0.     d(x, p) < δ  ⇒  d(f(x), f(p)) < ϵ

I don't understand the significance of the missing "0 < " bit in the definition of continuity. The definition of continuity is equivalent to:

∀ϵ>0 ∃δ>0 both statements are true:
  x ≠ p ∧ d(x, p) < δ   ⇒   d(f(x), f(p)) < ϵ      (1)
  x = p ∧ d(x, p) < δ   ⇒   d(f(x), f(p)) < ϵ      (2)

and statement (1) is equivalent to the following statements

(1) ⇔ 0 < d(x, p) ∧ d(x, p) < δ   ⇒   d(f(x), f(p)) < ϵ
    ⇔ 0 < d(x, p) < δ   ⇒   d(f(x), f(p)) < ϵ

and statement (2) is equivalent to the following statements:

(2) ⇔ x = p ∧ 0 < δ   ⇒   0 < ϵ
    ⇔ x = p ∧ ⊤   ⇒   ⊤
    ⇔ x = p  ⇒   ⊤
    ⇔ ⊤

We find then that the definition of continuity is equivalent to

∀ϵ>0 ∃δ>0 both statements are true:
  0 < d(x, p) < δ   ⇒   d(f(x), f(p)) < ϵ
  ⊤

which is of course equivalent to

∀ϵ>0 ∃δ>0. 0 < d(x, p) < δ  ⇒  d(f(x), p(q)) < ϵ    (⋆)

which is equivalent to

f(x) → f(p) as x → p

And so the definition Rudin gives is equivalent to

f(x) is continuous at p iff f(x)→f(p) as x → p

 Am I missing something?



One thought; is theorem 4.6 there simply because of this wierd behaviour of limits; If p is an isolated point then f(x) → L as x → p for every possible value of L! And so if you use (⋆) as the definition of continuity and aren't careful you might end up wrongly stating that:

Let p be an isolated point, we know that f(x) → L as x → p, and also that L ≠ f(p), therefore f(x) is not continuous at p.

But that error stems not from any problem with (⋆), rather it stems from us wrongly thinking that a function can have only one limit at a point when in these weird cases it can have multiple.

Som svar till Emma Bastås

Sv: Why theorem 4.6 applies only to limit points?

av Emma Bastås -
Aah limits are only defined for limit points, missed that detail.. Explains it I think
Som svar till Emma Bastås

Sv: Why theorem 4.6 applies only to limit points?

av Jacob Kuhlin -
I think you seem to have figured it out. But still. For limits of functions we do not care about the actual value of the function at that point. That's why the 0< is there, to exclude the point at which we are taking the limit.